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[Guest]

Awwww.... Poor baby... they got their little feelings hurt by a tie..


Chicago car salesman fired for wearing Green Bay Packers tie | Reuters

guess I'll never shop at John Webb Chevrolet.. It's just football...

[DarkSS]

2 sides to every story
Chicago car salesman fired for wearing Packers tie

[HumanWiki]

and?

If he wore a Bears tie.. no one would have cared..

A guy here wore a Packers shirt last Friday and was given all kinds of hell because it was supposed to be Bears stuff worn.. If you're going to allow sports apparel to be worn, you can't be singled sided.

Again. It's just football and some people really need to lay off the sports pipe.. it's honestly not even that important.

[DarkSS]

You missed the fact that he was asked 5 times to take the tie off. It's not just sport, it has to do with a company and a brand. The article states that the dealership has done promotions with the bears. It becomes a customer conflict at that point. If you do something that can hurt your employers relation with a customer then you should be terminated.

[HumanWiki]

No. I didn't miss that.. I think it's irrelevant.. If people are that uptight and whiny about their little teams that they can't handle someone's own right to support any team they want.. then, they need to grow up. They're not going to lose sales over that. Hurt relations? Please... The Packers beat the Bears.. and rightfully so. Are people such poor losers that they can't handle that? Maybe if people focused less on stupid crap like that and on actually running a business correctly, we wouldn't have all the issues we have today. I'd love to see him sue the company. Doubtful he'd win or that he would, but I'd love to see him try.

[DarkSS]

Why, it's these bullshit frivolous law suits that make people think they can sue anyone over anything. Yeah it's just a team and a game but people take it very seriously. I think this guy showed extremely poor taste by even wearing the tie. We are in Chicago by the way and to wear the tie on the Monday after the game was done to start shit. I don't buy that little old grandma story. If you want to support your team then do so on the day before the Superbowl, not the day after they beat the home team in a pivotal game. He went looking for trouble and found it. The point is the Bears obviously worked with this dealer on something before and they profited from it. This guy makes his money representing the dealership and was asked multiple times to take the tie off and didn't. He was wrong, period.

[HumanWiki]

Like I said.. Had he worn a Bears tie, he would have been just fine. It's being a poor sportsman to pull crap like that. Bears fans would be celebrating all over the place had they actually been able to play a decent game. They didn't, they lost and they deserved the loss they got. What's wrong with someone showing support for the winners? People do take it serious, too serious. Chicago fans aren't exactly the most humble and I know that for a fact having been to games and seen it first hand. They have 0 issue rubbing it in the faces of others when they win, so why is this any different? Again, it's just a sport. A highly overrated and over valued sport. I don't think he showed poor taste at all, he's supporting his team. I know Green Bay fans that get insulted, made fun of and joked on all the time because of their choice about being Packers fans.. Bears fans love to make them the butt of jokes all the time. I think that's in poor taste as well, but that certainly doesn't seem to stop it. I stand by my position that the dealership was in the wrong and shows childish mentality for firing someone over something so stupid.

Frivolous law suits like that wouldn't be needed if companies and their executive management took their heads out of their backsides and came back to reality.

[TonyNo]

Once the employer asked him to take it off, it changed into something else. Just like trespassing does not begin until someone asks you to leave.

[Toasty]

It's doubtful that there will be a consensus on this one, it's fairly easy to see both sides of the argument. On the one hand, it was just a tie, and it doesn't seem that the salesman was pushing anything else in regards to the Packers, like hanging a banner or whatever, but we don't know any of that. On the other hand if the Dealer did ask 5 times for him to remove it (one article I read said 2x) then it seems that perhaps the salesman did not understand the severity/seriousness of the situation. I am not sure that I agree with the Dealer's decision to fire the salesman; perhaps an unpaid suspension or something would have been appropriate. It would be interesting to know if there was any language in any kind of agreement/contract/SOP about proper uniform/attire for the salesman.

[Orange5thGen]

Well I can tell you what I know of HR and since thats my background, and I love the Bears, but to threaten an employee with termination with no written policy on it is retaliation and I would love to be his attorney.

[Xello]

I used to work for an eye glass company that catered primarily to unions even though the eye glass company wasn't unionized. They had one store in Janesville, WI near the GM plant that was there. I had a Honda Civic at the time and whenever I needed to visit that particular store I had to park my car away from the building so as not to piss-off the clientele (or so I was told). I didn't agree with the policy and don't think I ever would have gotten fired for parking near the building but I decided it wasn't worth making a stink over it either.

I agree there will never be a concensus over the dealer/tie issue but IMHO I think the dealer was wrong in firing the salesman. Unless there was a written policy in dress code stating something specific about wearing articles of clothing that may be offensive to customers and/or vendors/suppliers/promotional partners than the salesman had every right to wear the Packers tie, be it a proper choice or not. And do we really think Bears management would give a damn anyway?

Unfortunately, the issue is probably in a gray area legally since Illinois is one of the many states that allows employment "at will" unless there is a contract governing employment. So even though I think the dealer was wrong he probably could have fired the guy for anything not specifically listed in the employee handbook.

[Toasty]

Well I can tell you what I know of HR and since thats my background, and I love the Bears, but to threaten an employee with termination with no written policy on it is retaliation and I would love to be his attorney.

...unless there was some kind of overall policy that would take president over that, dealing with overall conduct, kinda like the NFL's conduct detrimental to the team/league policy, etc.

[Orange5thGen]

The dealer knows they were wrong and have offered his job back, he told them NO and went to another dealer!

[Toasty]

The dealer knows they were wrong and have offered his job back, he told them NO and went to another dealer!

I wouldn't go back either... accept to drive up on a test drive with a customer from another dealer

[Lawdog]

I think we need to start a new thread on the C5g Website, THE DEBATE CLUB
Yeah thats it, We can have one new topic every week, Sports, Politics, Gender Bashing, lol
Very Entertaining everyone, Now everyone go have a drink and FORGETABOUTIT, HAHA