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    I didn't see this feature advertised... Time to disconnect that system if you haven't already...

    OnStar Begins Spying On Customers’ GPS Location For Profit | Jonathan Zdziarski's Domain

    OnStar Begins Spying On Customers’ GPS Location For Profit
    Posted on September 20, 2011 by Jonathan Zdziarski
    I canceled the OnStar subscription on my new GMC vehicle today after receiving an email from the company about their new terms and conditions. While most people, I imagine, would hit the delete button when receiving something as exciting as new terms and conditions, being the nerd sort, I decided to have a personal drooling session and read it instead. I’m glad I did. OnStar’s latest T&C has some very unsettling updates to it, which include the ability to sell your personal GPS location information, speed, safety belt usage, and other information to third parties, including law enforcement. To add insult to a slap in the face, the company insists they will continue collecting and selling this personal information even after you cancel your service, unless you specifically shut down the data connection to the vehicle after canceling.


    The complete update can be found here. Not surprisingly, I even had to scrub the link as it included my vehicle’s VIN number, to tell OnStar just what customers were actually reading the new terms and conditions.

    The first section explains the information that’s collected from the vehicle. No big deal. Sounds rather innocuous and boring. I imagine most people probably drool out and close the window by the time they get this far. Your contact information, billing information, etc. is collected. Nobody cares about tire pressure and crash information being collected – after all, that’s what OnStar is there for. Toward the end, you’ll read about how GPS data is collected, including vehicle speed and seat belt status. Again, in an emergency, this is very useful and most customers want an emergency services business to collect this information - when necessary. And the old 2010 terms and conditions only allowed OnStar to collect this information for legitimate purposes, such as recovering a stolen vehicle, or when needed to provide other OnStar services to customers on demand. As you scroll down the list of information collected, you see that once you get past important emergency services (what we pay OnStar for), OnStar now has given themselves the right to also use this information to stuff their pockets. OnStar has granted themselves the right to collect this information “for any purpose, at any time, provided that following collection of such location and speed information identifiable to your Vehicle, it is shared only on an anonymized basis.” – This provides carte blanche authority for OnStar to now track and collect information about your current GPS position and speed any time and anywhere, instead of only in the rare, limited circumstances the old contract outlined.

    Anonymized GPS data? There’s no such thing! We’ve all seen this before – anonymized searches, for example, that were not-so-quite anonymized. But in this case, it’s impossible to anonymize GPS data! If your vehicle is consistently parked at your home, driving down your driveway, or taking a left or right turn onto your street, its pretty obvious that this is where you live! It’s like trying to say that someone’s Google Map lookup from their home is “anonymized” because it doesn’t have their name on it. It still shows where they live! What’s unique even more-so to OnStar is that the data they claim they sell as part of their business model is useless unless it’s specific; that is, not diluted to the nearest 10 mile radius, etc. This combination of analytics, and their prospective customers (law enforcement, marketers, etc) requires the data be disturbingly precise. Anyone armed with Google can easily do a phone book or public records search to find the name and address that resides at any given GPS coordinate.

    So the GPS location of your vehicle and your vehicle’s speed are likely going to be collected by OnStar and sold to third parties. What kind of companies are interested in this data? OnStar would have you believe that respectable agencies, like departments of transportation and various law enforcement agencies (for purposes of “public safety or traffic services” – A.K.A ticket writing). I can imagine this data COULD be used for good, to create traffic based analytics to improve future road construction or even emergency response. But given that those types of decisions are only made once a decade in most cities, OnStar isn’t likely to benefit much financially from “respectable” companies.

    What is more profitable to OnStar that your personal GPS data could be used for? Hmm, well how about the obvious – tracking you and your vehicle. It would be extremely profitable to be able to identify all vehicles within OnStar’s network that frequently speed, and provide law enforcement “traffic services” the ability to trace them back to their homes or businesses, as well as tell them where to set up speed traps. Or perhaps insurance companies who want to check and make sure you’re wearing your seat belt, or automatically give you rate increases if you speed, even if you’re never in an accident? How about identifying all individuals who shop at certain stores, and using that to determine whose back yard to put the next God-awful Wal-Mart store? How about employers who purchase these records from these third parties to see where their employees (or prospective employees) travel to (and how fast), sleaze bag lawyers who want to subpoena these records to use against you if you’re ever sued, government agencies who want to monitor you, marketing firms who want to spam you, and a long list of other not-so-squeaky-clean people who use (and abuse) existing online, credit card, financial, credit, and other analytics to destroy our privacy?

    Add to this OnStar’s use policy of your personal information – the stuff that does identify who you are and ties it to your GPS records. While I have no problem using my personal information in events of an emergency, OnStar also uses my information to “allow us, and our affiliates, your Vehicle Maker, and Vehicle dealers, to offer you new or additional products or services; and for other purposes“. So not only is OnStar going to sell my vehicle’s GPS location data to a number of third parties, but they’re also going to use it and my personal information for marketing purposes. Imagine your personal data being sold to any number of their “affiliates”, and a few months later, you start to receive targeted, location-specific advertising based on where you’ve traveled. Go to Weight Watchers every week? Expect an increase in the amount of weight loss advertising phone calls. Go to the bar frequently? Anticipate a number of sleazy liquor ads to show up in your mailbox. Sneak out to Victoria Secret for something special for your lover? You might soon be inundated with adult advertising in your mailbox.

    OnStar’s new T&C continues, explaining that part of the company may at some point be sold, and all of your information with it. It sounds as though OnStar is poising part of their analytics department to be purchased by a large data warehousing company, such as a Google, or perhaps even an Apple. Do you trust such companies with unfettered access to the entire GPS history of your vehicle?

    This is too shady, especially for a company that you’re supposed to trust your family to. My vehicle’s location is my life, it’s where I go on a daily basis. It’s private. It’s mine. I shouldn’t have to have a company like OnStar steal my personal and private life just to purchase an emergency response service. Taking my private life and selling it to third party advertisers, law enforcement, and God knows who else is morally inept. Shame on you, OnStar. You disgust me.

    To make matters even more insulting, it was difficult to ensure the data connection was shut down after canceling. I still have no guarantee OnStar did what they were supposed to. I had to request the data connection be shut down repeatedly, after the OnStar rep attempted to leave it on and ignore my requests.

    When will our congress pass legislation that stops the American people’s privacy from being raped by large data warehousing interests? Companies like OnStar, Google, Apple, and the other large abusive data warehousing companies desperately need to be investigated.

    These terms don’t go into effect until December 2011, and it takes up to 10 days to have the account fully cancel, and another 14 days for the data connection to be shut down… so if you want to get out of these new terms and conditions, you’ll need to do it soon.



    Update:

    Since writing this article, OnStar has reportedly told a few individuals that the contract requires them to obtain the customer’s consent in order to provide this information to anyone. Not true. In fact, the only mention of the word consent in their updated T&C is below:

    We will comply with all laws regarding notifying you and obtaining your consent before we collect, use or share information about you or your Vehicle in any other way than has been described in this privacy statement.

    Two points to make: first, this clause only applies to collecting and sharing information in any way that is not described in the privacy statement. All of the nefarious uses for your personal data are, quite clearly, described in the privacy statement, and so no consent would be required. Secondly, this paragraph makes it clear that they will only comply with all laws requiring consent, not that they will actually obtain your consent. I’m not a lawyer, but as far as I know, there are no such laws on the books in most (if not all) states that protect the consumer from having their private information shared or sold to third parties, especially when such sharing is disclosed in a contract. In other words, the above paragraph seems to do nothing to require OnStar to obtain your consent to do any of this – and it’s my firm belief that OnStar’s only real interest is in OnStar. If you doubt this, the older version of the terms and conditions had two more consent clauses that are no longer part of the new terms and conditions.

    Old Consent Clauses – Now Removed:

    In General, we do not share your personal information with third-party marketers, unless we have asked for and obtained your explicit consent.

    Of course, we will notify you, and where required, ask for your prior consent if our collection, use, or disclosure of your personal information materially changes.
    Last edited by libertyforall1776; 09-22-2011, 01:11 PM. Reason: whole article
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  • #2
    Big deal! You give away much more information while cruising the web than you think. At least OnStar is being open about it and gives you ways to opt-out unlike many websites (even well known popular ones).

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    • #3
      My irritation with it is the part about after you cancel, they still do it... If they're tracking while I have the service, fine, whatever, it kinda has to be that way for them to provide navigation and collision/emergency assistance on my behalf.... It's just the expectation of privacy when I term the service that does it for me... You have to call out when you cancel to stop both the service and the data collection... There's just too much "tracking" of people these days... and, I'd be fine with it, if there weren't people and companies out there using it for less than charitable reasons..

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      • #4
        Originally posted by HumanWiki View Post
        My irritation with it is the part about after you cancel, they still do it... If they're tracking while I have the service, fine, whatever, it kinda has to be that way for them to provide navigation and collision/emergency assistance on my behalf.... It's just the expectation of privacy when I term the service that does it for me... You have to call out when you cancel to stop both the service and the data collection... There's just too much "tracking" of people these days... and, I'd be fine with it, if there weren't people and companies out there using it for less than charitable reasons..
        I agree
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        • #5
          So I just finished reading the entire New OnStar TOC. Seriously folks, it's not a big deal. What they track is the normal of what you would expect to monitor the cars systems and provide the other services such as safety and navigation requests. Any speed, location, direction and seat belt usage data that may be provided to third parties is anonymized.

          As far as tracking after you cancel, all you have to do is tell them to cancel and do not track. What's the big deal. If you didnt know they would track systems after cancelling but not disconnecting then shame on you for not reading the Terms.

          I do Internet Marketing for a living and after reading the OnStar TOC..trust me, what they collect is nothing comapred to what I can collect from you on the Net and the only way to opt out of all data collection would be to always use proxy servers. Even with what we collect, the large majority is anonymous. So yes, you need to do what you can to protect yourself but OnStar is not out to get you.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Xello View Post
            So I just finished reading the entire New OnStar TOC. Seriously folks, it's not a big deal. What they track is the normal of what you would expect to monitor the cars systems and provide the other services such as safety and navigation requests. Any speed, location, direction and seat belt usage data that may be provided to third parties is anonymized.

            As far as tracking after you cancel, all you have to do is tell them to cancel and do not track. What's the big deal. If you didnt know they would track systems after cancelling but not disconnecting then shame on you for not reading the Terms.

            I do Internet Marketing for a living and after reading the OnStar TOC..trust me, what they collect is nothing comapred to what I can collect from you on the Net and the only way to opt out of all data collection would be to always use proxy servers. Even with what we collect, the large majority is anonymous. So yes, you need to do what you can to protect yourself but OnStar is not out to get you.
            Thank you.

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            • #7
              I would think just pulling the fuse would kill the system if you didn`t want to be tracked.

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              • #8
                I'm firmly in the slippery-slope camp on this one.

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                • #9
                  Eventually all cars will be tracked in order to provide traffic control data and so that cars can "talk" to each other for safety reasons (i.e. your car detects a moron running a red light and applies the brakes automatically). Like it or not, unless you never buy another new car it is something everyone is going to have to get used to.

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                  • #10
                    It's invasion of privacy. How we drive and where is no one else's business. I do not need big brother keeping tabs on me. How long I am in the store should not be recorded and sold to third parties. I do not need constant supervision every time I drive the car or where I park. It would only be a matter of time before you recieve tickets without the need for police. People could get tickets for a vast array of things no matter how good of driver you are.
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                    • #11
                      I have to agree. I am a member of the military and the government watches and governs everything that I do when I am on the clock. What I do when I leave work and get in my car, is my business and no one else. I don't need or want them invading anymore on life than they already do. But that's just my opinion.
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                      • #12
                        Apparently no one is actually reading the terms of service. The terms spell out what they do with the information and don't do. They won't diverge from them. The risks would be too great and they would have too much at risk. If you believe in a slippery slope than there really is no point trying to convince you otherwise. Sure the TOC might change but they'll let you know when that happens and just as they are doing now, you'll have opt-out opportunities. This isn't "Eagle Eye".

                        I'm an Internet marketer. I analyze personalized and anonymized web data a good part of my day. I buy advertising based on behavioral anaylsis on what you do online, what buttons you click, what website you visit, what search terms you use on the search engines and much more. I know what operating system and browser version you use and what your screen resolution is. I know what products you buy, what products you look at but don't buy and how long it takes you to make a decision to buy.

                        Most of that data is anonymous. But if you log into a website of mine or that I affiliate with then it is personal data. OnStar claerly points out what is anonymous and what may not be. I have far less issues of my car being tracked by OnStar than my fellow Internet marketers tracking my online activities.

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                        • #13
                          I wonder if this has anything to do with government influence due to our money through government as a stake in GM...

                          I would say incrementalism, which is pretty much the slippery slope -- like the frog in the water gradually turned up to boiling.

                          1984 is not appealing. No cars will be tracked if we do not consent. Consent is required for anything like this to ever be done. Quite simple, really.

                          How to disconnect OnStar:
                          Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com - View Single Post - How to disconnect OnStar?
                          or:
                          How to Take OnStar Out of a Car | eHow.com


                          Originally posted by Xello View Post
                          Eventually all cars will be tracked in order to provide traffic control data and so that cars can "talk" to each other for safety reasons (i.e. your car detects a moron running a red light and applies the brakes automatically). Like it or not, unless you never buy another new car it is something everyone is going to have to get used to.
                          Last edited by libertyforall1776; 09-21-2011, 11:47 PM.
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                          • #14
                            I am getting rid of my cars and buying horses....crap, they might micro-chip the horse, forget it, I'll just walk from now on.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by priz23 View Post
                              I am getting rid of my cars and buying horses....crap, they might micro-chip the horse, forget it, I'll just walk from now on.
                              You were chipped when you were born..

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