CAI in the winter

[cab2g]

OK, so I hear there is a mileage drop in the winter months, but I am seriously thinking that my MPG drop is due in part to my CAI. Do any of you have experience with this?

My theory is that since extra cold air is coming in, the engine must be throwing in more fuel to compensate for the denser air with more oxygen. And during this time of the year, it may be to my benefit to use just the stock intake instead. Any opinions?

I was getting an average of 18.5-19mpg when it was warm with a brand new un-broken in engine. Now I am down to around 16.5. This seems like a huge drop. But maybe it's normal for these cars.

[TonyNo]

The colder-air bit makes a lot of sense. Seems like the stock intake would be better in the winter.

[Orange5thGen]

Agree with Tony.... I would say the two other Camaro's I was driving with today a Yellow and Midnight Blue would have said they didn't give a damn....Driving and hauling stuff.....Loved it everyone was looking at us and it was just 3 Camaro's.......

I can not wait for spring.

[Toasty]

it might be the lighter traffic on my way to work, but I'm getting the best average mileage on this tank so far, outside of my road trip to Indianapolis this fall.

[Orange5thGen]

I am waiting to put my CAI on until it warms up a little!

[CAMARO SS]

Is the drop in mpg the only negative effect of the cai in cold weather?

[Orange5thGen]

I would think it is all the slow azz drivers going 15mph below the speed limit in the fast lane, but thats just my .02

[SurveyOrange]

Another possible cause for a drop in gas milage, is the cold weather's effect on the viscosity of all the car fluids such as oil, which increase the load on the engine and reduces efficiency. You can probably feel how differently the car drives from when you first start it, to when it's warmed up. Hope that help.

[libertyforall1776]

The other thing you all are forgetting is that there is a "winter blend" of gas (RFG - reformulated gas) in Chicagoland that is supposedly to reduce smog, supposedly it is less efficient.


Reformulated Gas | US EPA

Clean Air Act Required RFG Areas:
Illinois
Cook County
Du Page County
Grundy County (partial)
Kane County
Kendall County (partial)
Lake County
McHenry County
Will County

"Opt-In" Areas (Voluntary):
Illinois (effective opt-in date is July 1, 2007)
Jersey County
Madison County
Monroe County
St. Clair County


Here's some more on the MPG topic:

Miles per Gallon Go Down in Cold Weather There are many factors that cause the fuel mileage in cars to go down in cold weather

causing your vehicle to get fewer miles per gallon (MPG).As many people have become accustomed to monitoring their gas consumption, they have noticed decreases in MPG typically starting around the beginning of November.According to Click & Clack, the Tappit Brothers, of the NPR radio program “Car Talk,” it is normal to lose about 10% of your gas mileage in cold weather, however, there are many reports of 15% or more lost MPG.What is the cause of the lower cold weather MPG? Here are ten reasons for lower winter MPG:

1. Winter Gas. Reformulated Gasoline (RFG), also known as “winter gas” is gasoline with more oxygen and therefore, fewer hydrocarbons.While RFG is required to be sold in many states, typically starting around first of November, gasoline refiners regularly adjust the blend of gasoline sold so that even in states without a RFG requirement, a version of RFG is still sold. In warm weather, gasoline with too many “light” components evaporates easily and causes vapor lock, an over-rich mixture that causes excessive evaporative emissions, so heavier components are added to gasoline.Conversely, in cold weather, too many heavier components keep the fuel from evaporating, resulting in a lean mixture, hard starts and poor converter light off, consequentially causing excessive hydrogen emissions.The RFG blend of gasoline is made by diluting regular gas by adding oxygen, often using ethanol or butane, which has a lower BTU value than the regular gasoline.It is simple logic to understand that if there is more oxygen and less fuel in a gallon of gasoline, there will be a lower energy content, and hence, fewer MPG. While proponents of RFG regularly state that the mileage reduction is in the 1-3% range, many users report far, far worse results.

2. Cold Weather Starting. Vehicles use a lot more fuel to warm up to the proper operating temperature in cold weather; it simply takes more fuel in cold weather to get the engine and system up to temperaturebefore it can run at peak fuel efficiency.In cold weather, a car’s computer system measures coolant temperature, engine revolutions per minute (RPM), throttle position, air flow sensor volume and temperature readings to determine the most efficient air to fuel ratio (AFR) for warming up.To compensate for a not quite warm enough engine, the on board computer will keep the mixture rich (excess fuel) to keep the engine from stalling.After warm up, the computer will adjust the AFR for peak performance, but due to the density and temperature of the air, even after the engine reaches operating temperature; it still takes extra fuel (energy) in cold weather to keep it at an efficient operating temperature.

3. Air Density/Wind. Cold air is denser than warm air so there is more air in the path of your vehicle creating more resistance for the vehicle to go through.Cold weather is also typically associated with heavier winds– an additional source of resistance.This increase in resistance is an additional load on the car’s engine, lowering MPG.

4. Increased Engine Load. Cold weather drivers typically use more vehicle accessories than warm weather drivers.Accessories such as the heater, defroster, electric seat warmers and windshield wipers put an additional strain on the engine which reduces fuel efficiency.For example, the heater takes heat from the engine, which makes the engine run less efficiently or causes additional running time before the engine reaches its most efficient AFR.

5. Fluid Viscosity. Heat reduces viscosity (makes it thinner) and cold increases viscosity (makes it thicker) of the fluids in a vehicle.There are several fluids and lubricants in a car engine, such as oil, that make an engine operate efficiently only when they are warm and can flow easily.Cold weather causes sluggishness of the fluids leading to lower engine efficiency, reducing the MPG until they fully warm up.

6. Tire Pressure. In colder weather, tires lose air pressure, as a rule of thumb, one pound of pressure for every 10 degrees (F) drop in temperature.Under-inflated tires increase rolling resistance and decrease fuel economy.At least this problem can be readily fixed by properly inflating your tires.

7. Road Conditions. Driving conditions in winter, such as rain, ice or snow, are worse than the driving conditions in warm weather.The roads are more slippery which often causes wheel spin upon acceleration.Wheel spinning can also occur when trying to get out of snowy or icy parking spots.Wheel spinning without going anywhere reduces the MPG.The ability to grip the road always results in better fuel efficiency.Additionally, the poor road conditions can cause you to drive at less fuel efficient speeds.

8. Human Warm up Time.Humans are like cars and need to warm up as well; so many people start their cars to warm them up before even getting in them.Running a vehicle without going anywhere certainly reduces the MPG.In addition to the start up, many people leave the car running for short stops, or while waiting for someone, in cold weather that would have turned the car off in warmer weather.This is especially true for short trips and people tend to make more short trips in inclement weather; who drives to a neighbor’s house in the snow?

9. Extra Weight. If cold weather brings snow or freezing rain that accumulates on your vehicle, you are carrying a lot of extra weight.A car covered with icicles could easily weigh an extra 100 pounds; extra weight means fewer MPG.It is also safer to drive without a snow covered vehicle, so remember to clean off snow and ice as completely as you can (don’t forget the roof!), not just the windshield.

10.Headlights. Since cold weather is typical of the winter, which has fewer hours of sunlight than the rest of the year, there are more hours spent driving with the headlights on.The headlights take additional power which reduces the MPG.

The above information is compiled from information believed to be reliable.If you would like to add other items to this list, please contactLou .Elwell@Vo rt exFu elSaver.com, Chairman ofwww.Vo rt exFlu id Optimiz er.com, manufacturers of the Vortex Fuel Saver.

[HumanWiki]

Did you really just post a link to Vortex Fuel Saver?

http://www.acura-legend.com/vbulletin/f4/vortex-fuel-saver-does-work-122908/

//We are not in the "magnet" business. We are in the saving energy business and these focused field, mono-pole magnets help to accomplish this.//

I'm not going to get in to a physics debate, but if you're curious... you should look up Magnetic Monopoles.

[libertyforall1776]

^ LOL, ignore the Fuel Saver stuff -- the cold weather mpg info is what is important...

[cab2g]

Well after a week of driving with my stock CAI. I saw about a half of a MPG improvement. BUT because my tire pressure monitor also went off last Friday, I added about 3-5PSI to all my tires. I bet that made most of the difference in MPG this time! Maybe by February my PSI will be low enough again to actually compare apples to apples.

[cab2g]

Well I'm finally getting to the end of my first tank with the stock intake. I got about 16.6MPG and that is around what I was getting with the CAI. I tried not to adjust my driving habits. So so far it seems that the CAI wasn't significantly lowering my mileage, the winter was